19:54 RM: LET THE FLAPS OUT TO GAIN ENERGY FASTER IF YOU DON'T NEED TO TURN
19:54 RM: ONE OTHER GOOD TRAIT OF THE F4...
19:54 RM: AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART ABOVE...
19:55 RM: IS THAT IT IS SECOND ONLY TO THE P47 IN ARMOR
19:55 RM: QUESTIONS?
19:55 K2: !
19:55 RM: GA K2
19:55 DDave: any way to log this stuff??
19:56 K2: Dumb question, but, uh, which is break key on keyboard? ga
19:56 RM: SPACE BAR ON KEYBOARD
19:57 deadh: i have a question!
19:57 RM: I'LL POST A SYNOPSIS ON MY WEB PAGE DDAVE
19:57 RM: GA DEADH
19:57 DDave: thnx ga
19:57 deadh: ok, u r following the break turn u use the brake and a setting of
19:57 deadh: flaps
19:58 RM: DONE?
19:59 Moose 666th: !
19:59 deadh: the flaps aide turning?
19:59 RM: WAIT 1 MOOS
19:59 Moose 666th: cc
19:59 RM: THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT SECTION...
19:59 RM: FLAPS HELP TO A POINT
19:59 RM: BUT NOT WHEN FAST
20:00 RM: SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION...
20:00 RM: CHANCES ARE YOU WOULD NOT USE BOTH FLAPS AND BRAKES...
20:00 RM: TO FOLLOW SOMEONE THRU A BREAK
20:00 RM: BECAUSE EITHER YOU ARE TOO FAST FOR FLAPS...
20:00 RM: OR TOO SLOW FOR BREAKS
20:01 RM: I'LL GET INTO IT MORE IN THE NEXT SECTION
20:01 deadh: when is the fw lecture?
20:01 RM: GA MOOSIC
20:01 RM: WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE ONE :)
20:01 Moose 666th: Never mind... was gonna ask a stupid question.
20:01 Huckster: !
20:02 RM: GA HUCKSTER
20:02 Huckster: Keep throttle at full when using speed
brake right? or chop also? GA
20:03 RM: USUALLY YOU DO NOT WANT TO CHOP AND USE BRAKES TOGETHER...
20:03 RM: THE ONLY TIME YOU DO...
20:03 RM: IS WHEN YOU WANT TO IMPRESS SOMEBODY WITH A FAST KILL :)
20:03 Huckster: :)
20:03 RM: BASICALLY YOU GET ONE SHOT WHEN YOU DO THAT...
20:04 RM: IF YOU MISS IT AND YOU'RE AGAINST AND F6 OR KI...
20:04 RM: YOU WILL PROBABLY DIE OR GET PINGED UP
20:04 RM: OK...
20:04 RM: ON TO TURNING
20:04 RM: MANY PEOPLE ASK ME:
20:05 RM: "How Do You Turn That F4 so tight?"
20:05 RM: THE KEY IS TO TURN IT AT IT'S OPTIMUM SPEED...
20:06 RM: I PUT TOGETHER A CHART SHOWING THE F4 TURNING VS OTHER PLANES
20:06 RM: AND INCLUDED F4 WITH AND WITHOUT FLAPS
20:07 RM: THE PURPLE LINE IS THE OPTIMUM F4 TURN RATE USING FLAPS...
20:07 RM: AT THE 190 RANGE
20:07 RM: AND SLOWER
20:07 RM: AS YOU CAN SEE...
20:08 RM: AN F4 AT 170 KIAS WILL TURN WITH A 190 KIAS F6 OR KI
20:08 RM: AND IS NOT TOO FAR BELOW THEM AT THEIR OPTIMUM TURN SPEED...
20:08 RM: OF 170 KIAS
20:08 RM: YOU CAN SURPRISE THEM A LOT OF THE TIME
20:08 RM: A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT TURNING...
20:09 RM: DROP 1 NOTCH AT 190 OR SO...
20:09 RM: BUT REMEMBER TO RETRACT FLAPS IF YOU AREN'T TURNING...
20:09 RM: YOU ARE SPLIT S'ing...
20:10 RM: ARE GAINING SPEED, ETC
20:10 RM: FLAPS GIVE YOU TURN RATE, BUT THEY ALSO BLOW YOUR ENERGY...
20:10 RM: AND YOU NEED ENERGY TO MAINTAIN THAT 170 KIAS OPTIMUM SPEED
20:10 RM: DO A LOT OF NOSE LOW MANEUVERS TO KEEP BOTH YOURS AND ...
20:11 RM: YOUR OPPONENT'S SPEED UP
20:11 RM: AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART...
20:11 RM: AN F4 WILL KICK THE ASS OF A FAST F6 OR KI
20:11 Astro: !
20:11 RM: WHICH IS WHY IT'S FUN TO ENGAGE A HIGH ENEMY...
20:11 RM: THEY COME DIVING DOWN EXPECTING YOU TO RUN AND YOU TURN
20:12 RM: GA ASTRO
20:12 Astro: Is the turn rate for the F6 and Ki on the charts
with flaps or without? ga
20:12 RM: THE TURN RATE IS WITHOUT...
20:13 RM: HOWEVER NEITHER ONE BENEFITS WITH FLAPS MUCH ABOVE 150
20:13 RM: THE F6 TURNS TO A DOG IF YOU LEAVE THE FLAPS OUT
20:13 MiG 01: !
20:13 RM: GA MIG
20:13 Baddog: hey, I resent that
20:14 MiG 01: How many notches of flap will give you that sustained
turn rate?
20:14 MiG 01: ga
20:14 RM: NO...YOU RESEMBLE THAT :)
20:14 Baddog: true:)
20:14 RM: YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO MORE THAN 1 NOTCH IF YOU CAN HELP IT
20:14 DDave: [exit]
20:14 8_X Paradog: !
20:15 RM: MORE THAN 1 NOTCH BLEEDS SPEED WAY TOO FAST AND IS NOT WORTH...
20:15 RM: THE TURN RATE BONUS...
20:15 RM: THE ONLY TIMES YOU GO TO MORE THAN 1 NOTCH IS:
20:15 RM: WAIT 1 PARA
20:15 Gunn: [enter]
20:15 8_X Paradog: How prone is the F4 to stalls? ga
20:15 RM: 1: YOU ARE NOSE HIGH AND YOU WANT TO SPLIT S
20:15 8_X Paradog: er soory
20:16 RM: 2: YOU ARE LOOPING OVER THE TOP AND ARE SLOW
20:16 RM: 3: YOU ARE ON THE DECK AND HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE
20:17 RM: I USE FULL FLAPS FOR JUST A SECOND WHEN I'M NOSE HIGH...
20:17 RM: JUST ENOUGH TO GET THE NOSE BELOW THE HORIZON...
20:17 Baddog: good Yak trick to
20:17 RM: THEN THEY COME BACK...ONLY WHEN I'M NOSE HIGH AND LESS
THAN 160 KIAS
20:17 RM: CC BADDOG
20:18 RM: OK...PARA ASKED HOW PRONE THE F4 WAS TO STALLS:
20:18 RM: IT WILL DO WELL IF YOU DON'T PULL HARD ALL THE TIME
20:18 RM: YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW WHEN TO LET UP ON THE STICK...
20:18 RM: WHEN I DO A SPIRAL ROPE A DOPE...
20:19 RM: I'LL BE AS SLOW AS 100 KIAS WITHOUT FLAPS...
20:19 RM: THEN AT THE RIGHT TIME I'LL GO FULL FLAPS...
20:19 RM: DROP THE NOSE...
20:19 RM: RETRACT FLAPS...
20:19 RM: AND BE IN
20:20 RM: BUT WHEN YOU'RE THAT SLOW YOU CAN BARELY PULL ON THE STICK
20:20 RM: GONNA REPOST CHART FOR NEW FOLKS
20:20 Jammer: http://inter-look.com/lecture/turn1.html
>>>TELEPORTING: "http://inter-look.com/lecture/turn1.html"
20:21 RM: I'LL GET INTO SPIRAL ROPE A DOPE LATER FOR THOSE WHO
ARE INTERESTED
20:21 RM: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:22 RM: OK..
20:22 Jammer: http://inter-look.com/lecture/turn2.html
>>>TELEPORTING: "http://inter-look.com/lecture/turn2.html"
20:22 RM: POSTING NEXT SLIDE
20:22 Gunn: nice slides....
20:22 RM: JUST TO REITERATE...
20:23 RM: THE F4 TURNS BEST AT 170 KIAS
20:23 deadh: !
20:23 RM: USE ONE NOTCH OF FLAPS UP TO 190 KIAS
20:24 RM: GA DEADH
20:24 deadh: i always thought that the fw and corsair
to be similar planes..........
20:24 deadh: so if u use this turn advantage they r very different?ga
20:24 RM: YES...
20:25 RM: THE F4 WILL KICK A FW'S ASS IN A FIGHT
20:25 RM: NO CONTEST
20:25 deadh: because of this turning ability
20:25 RM: THE F4'S ROLL RATE IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS A FW
20:25 RM: AND ASIDE FROM A SLIGHT SPEED ADVANTAGE...
20:26 RM: THE F4 BEATS THE FW IN ALL OTHER MANEUVER CATEGORIES
20:26 deadh: ok
20:26 RM: CC ON TURNING ABILITY
20:26 RM: THE F4 HAS A BAD REP AS A PLANE THAT CAN'T TURN...
20:26 RM: I LOVE TO "EDUCATE" THE UNBELIEVERS :)
20:27 BigR: LOL
20:27 RM: YOU CAN TURN WITH A LOT OF STUFF FOR A WHILE...
20:27 Baddog: I been educated :/
20:27 RM: BUT AFTER ABOUT 2 REVS...
20:27 deadh: really im a faithful follower now, thanks
20:27 RM: YOU NEED TO GET OUT IF YOU'VE MADE NO HEADWA
20:27 RM: ER HEADWAY
20:27 Huckster: been educated here fer sure
20:27 8_X Paradog: !
20:28 RM: GA PARA
20:28 8_X Paradog: How is the F4 speed wise vs other pac planes?
20:28 8_X Paradog: ga
20:29 RM: THE F4 DOES OK VS OTHER PLANES...
20:29 RM: BUT NOT GREAT
20:29 RM: AGAINST THE F6...
20:29 K2: !
20:29 RM: THEY BOTH ACCELERATE ABOUT THE SAME...
20:30 RM: SO YOU NEED TO MANEUVER A BIT TO GET OUT OF GUNS RANGE...
20:30 RM: BUT IN THE LONG HAUL THE F4 WILL RUN AWAY
20:30 RM: AGAINST A P38...
20:30 deadh: durn just got beeped by boss gotta go
20:30 RM: THE F4 WILL WAY OUT-ACCELERATE IT, BUT THE 38 CAN CATCH IT...
20:30 RM: IF IT GOES TO A SLOW DIVE
20:31 RM: THIS TAKES MULTIPLE SECTORS, HOWEVER
20:31 RM: AND MANY TIME THE F4 CAN GET ENOUGH SEPARATION TO START CLIMBING
20:31 RM: THE KI WILL OUTRUN AND OUT TURN IT
20:31 RM: A HIGH KI IS A TOUGH FIGHT IN AN F4
20:32 RM: THE 51 AND NIKI OUTRUN IT
20:32 RM: OK...GA K2
20:32 K2: ok, you pretty much covered, it, i was gonna ask bout
level and dive accel vs other
20:32 K2: aircraft. ga
20:33 RM: OK :)
20:33 RM: TO REITERATE TURNING...
20:33 RM: BEST TURN IS 1 NOTCH FLAPS AT 170 KIAS
20:33 RM: FLAPS HELP TO ABOUT 190 KIAS THEN HURT TURN RATE AND ENERGY
20:34 RM: USE DIVE BRAKES ABOVE ABOUT 22O KIAS TO GAIN TURN RATE FOR A BIT
20:34 RM: DO NOSE LOW MANEUVERS TO KEEP SPEED UP
20:34 RM: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:34 Baddog: !
20:35 RM: GA BADDOG
20:35 Baddog: OK, you do those 2 revs, gain nuthin
20:35 Baddog: what is best way exit?
20:35 Baddog: ga
20:35 RM: GOOD QUESTION
20:36 RM: THE BEST WAY IS TO DROP THE NOSE ALOST STRAIGHT DOWN...
20:36 RM: THEN JINK OUT TO THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO
20:36 RM: WHEN YOU JINK...
20:37 RM: YOU WANT TO PULL HIGH Gs FOR SHORT BURSTS
20:37 RM: THEN STRAIGHTEN FOR A SEC THEN PULL ANOTHER
20:37 Baddog: 7+, right?
20:37 RM: NOT TOO LONG OR YOU WILL BLOW YOUR ENERGY...
20:38 RM: JUST A FRACTION OF A SECOND, ENOUGH TO CHANGE YOUR HEADING
20:38 RM: CC BADDOG
20:38 RM: AND IF YOU'VE GOT ALT...
20:38 RM: DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT BLACKING OUT
20:38 RM: SINCE YOU'VE GOT IT IN YOUR MIND TO PULL A SHORT BURST...
20:39 RM: YOU WILL PROBABLY LET OFF EARLY SO THE BLACKOUT WILL
ONLY LAST A SECOND OR SO...
20:39 Baddog: sounds just like an FW exit
20:39 RM: WHICH IS THE TIME YOU WOULD WANT TO FLY STRAIGHT FOR ANYWAY
20:39 RM: PRETTY MUCH
20:39 RM: OK...
20:39 Jammer: http://inter-look.com/lecture/bz.html
>>>TELEPORTING: "http://inter-look.com/lecture/bz.html"
20:39 Baddog: and if they follow?
20:40 RM: IF THEY FOLLOW...
20:40 RM: YOU RUN
20:40 RM: THE ONLY PLANE YOU CAN'T RUN FROM IS THE KI
20:41 RM: AS I SAID A CO-ALT KI IS TOUGH
20:41 Baddog: get it to 475 or so...
20:41 RM: CC...GET IT FAST
20:41 BigR: well..i gotta go..great lecture
20:41 Baddog: or was it 375, wingrip speed anyway
20:41 RM: I'LL GET TO FIGHTING A KI IN A LATER SECTION
20:41 RM: SEE YA BIGR
20:41 Baddog: ga
20:42 RM: OK...
20:42 RM: QUICKLY ON B&Z TACTICS...
20:42 RM: NOT GOING TO GO INTO TOO MUCH DEPTH
20:42 RM: BASICALLY...
20:42 RM: USE THE BRAKES AS WE DISCUSSED...
20:43 RM: BUT ONLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH SPEED TO GET ABOVE AGAIN
20:43 RM: OR IF YOU WANT TO ENGAGE HARD
20:43 RM: USE LOW G MANEUVERS AT ALL TIMES UNLESS YOU ARE GETTING YOUR
20:43 RM: GUNS ON A TARGET...
20:44 RM: OR HAVE A LARGE EXCESS OF SPEED
20:44 RM: LASTLY...
20:44 RM: THE F4 EXCELS AT THE SPIRAL CLIMB...
20:44 RM: USE IT WHEN YOU'RE ABOVE YOUR OPPONENT...
20:44 RM: KIs AND F6s WILL LOSE ENERGY TRYING TO TURN...
20:44 RM: AND IT'S AN EASY WAY TO ROPE-A-DOPE PEOPLE
20:45 RM: QUESTIONS? (SORRY FOR QUICKNESS, BUT IT;S GETTING ON)
20:45 HAWKeye_CAF_: !
20:45 RM: GA HAWKEYE
20:45 HAWKeye_CAF_: will f4 outrun 51
20:46 RM: NO...
20:46 RM: 51 WILL EASILY OUT DISTANCE THE F4
20:46 RM: BUT THE F4 CAN OUTTURN IT AT MOST ALTS
20:46 HAWKeye_CAF_: ahh OK
20:46 HAWKeye_CAF_: did'nt think so ga
20:46 Baddog: !
20:46 RM: OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:46 RM: GA BADDOG
20:47 Baddog: spiral climb, best way to?
20:47 Baddog: how to
20:47 RM: BEST WAY TO ROPE-ADOPE...WHICH IS THE BASIS FOR...
20:47 RM: MY SPIRAL ROPE-A-DOPE
20:48 RM: PICTURE THIS:
20:48 RM: YOU'RE ABOVE YOUR OPPONENT...
20:48 RM: YOU ARE BOTH SLOW...
20:49 RM: YOU ARE SPIRALING UP SLOWLY AND HE IS TRYING TO FOLLOW IN HIS F6...
20:49 RM: BY SPIRALING YOU ACCOMPLISH MULTIPLE THINGS...
20:49 Baddog: no flaps, light stick?
20:49 RM: FOR ONE YOU ARE GAINING ENERGY ON THE F6 (OR KI OR ZEKE
OR 38, ETC)
20:50 RM: RIGHT _NO_ FLAPS HERE AND LIGHT STICK
20:50 RM: TWO...
20:50 RM: YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR OPPONENT OVER YOUR WING
20:50 RM: AS SOON AS YOU SEE HIM DROP OFF...
20:50 RM: YOU GO FULL FLAPS AND ROLL IN
20:51 RM: THEN RETRACT FLAPS AND SWOOP IN FOR THE KILL
20:51 8_X Paradog: Sorry gotta jam...got squad practice...
great class!!! Be sure to post where to
20:51 8_X Paradog: find a summary:)
20:51 RM: IF YOU TIME IT RIGHT...
20:51 RM: CC PARA
20:52 RM: YOU CAN GET YOUR OPPONENT TO 700 YARDS OR SO (INSIDE GUNS RANGE)...
20:52 RM: BUT HE CAN'T GET HIS NOSE UP...
20:52 RM: AND YOU CAN DROP IN ON HIM AS HE WALLOWS AT 100 KIAS :)
20:53 RM: OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:53 Baddog: nope
20:53 RM: OK
20:53 RM: QUICKLY...
20:54 RM: THE MERGE...
20:54 RM: THERE ARE 3 MERGE SITUATIONS...
20:54 Astro: RM Marcy says hi
20:54 RM: AS SEEN ABOVE (CO-E, POSITIVE E AND NEGATIVE E)
20:55 RM: HEHE CC ASTRO :)
20:55 RM: BASICALLY THE WORST FOR AN F4 TO BE IN vs A MORE MANEUVEABLE...
20:56 RM: OPPONENT IS THE COALT MERGE
20:56 RM: IN A POSITIVE ENERGY MERGE YOU CAN SPIRAL CLIMB & b&z
20:56 RM: IN A NEGATIVE ENERGY MERGE YOU CAN OUTTURN A FASTER
DIVING OPPONENT
20:57 RM: BUT IN A CO-E MERGE YOU OPPONENT WILL BE CLOSER TO OPTIMUM...
20:57 RM: TURN SPEED AND THUS UNLESS YOU GET THE JUMP ON HIM AT THE
20:57 RM: START OF THE MERGE YOU ARE IN TROUBLE FROM THE START
20:58 RM: I ALWAYS TRY TO GET BELOW MY OPPONENTS ON A CO-E MERGE...
20:58 RM: FORCE HIM TO GO DOWN AS YOU ARE GOING UP
20:58 RM: YOU ARE LOSING SPEED AND GAINING E WHILE HE IS GAINING SPEED AND
20:58 RM: LOSING E
20:58 RM: QUESTIONS?
20:59 Moose 666th: Last tip was great. Never thought of that.
20:59 RM: I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME TO GO INTO SPECIFIC
PLANE vs PLANE TACTICS
20:59 Huckster: !
20:59 Samer: !
21:00 RM: UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION
21:00 RM: GA HUCKSTER (SAMER NEXT)
21:00 K2: !
21:00 MiG 01: good night to all... squad practice CHECKSIX
21:00 RM: THEN K2
21:01 RM: SEE YA MIG
21:01 Huckster: err never mind can wait GA
21:01 Samer: gota go,,thanks, great,,
21:01 RM: NO...WE GOT TIME FOR QUESTIONS NOW...
21:01 RM: JUST NOT OT GO INTO SPECIFIC PLANES
21:01 RM: GA HUCK
21:01 RM: SEE YA SAMER
21:02 Astro: !
21:02 Huckster: Ok you go on low on merge if he climbs high U
can be in a fix right?
21:02 RM: POSSIBLY...
21:02 RM: BUT THAT IS A DANGEROUS MANEUVER FOR HIM TO PULL
21:03 RM: IF YOU HAVE AN OUNCE MORE E THAN HE THOUGHT...
21:03 RM: YOU CAN PULL UP ON HIS SIX
21:03 RM: FOR HIM TO PULLIT OFF HE REALLY NEEDS TO EXTEND LOW G...
21:03 Huckster: cc
21:03 RM: YOU CAN SEE HIM DO THIS AND DO THE SAME
21:04 RM: OR PULL AROUND AND FOLLOW AT A SLIGHT ENERGY DEFICIT
21:04 RM: GA K2
21:04 RM: BTW...MOST PEOPLE WON'T DO THAT
21:04 Astro: How well does a F4 turn at lower alt compared
to higher alts? ga
21:04 RM: AND IT IS DANGEROUS FOR HIM
21:04 Astro: oops
21:05 K2: I am interested in specific tips vs F6 - a buddy kicks
my F4 a lot in one. Other planes
21:05 K2: are meat for my F4.
21:05 RM: WAIT 1 ASTRO
21:05 K2: ga
21:06 Jammer: wait one RM has some problems on his end, standby
21:06 K2: rgr
21:06 Jammer: RM has to back out and try to reconnnect to the service
21:07 K2: Jammer, haven't you shot me down a few times before?
21:07 K2: Hmmm, do we wait or reload?
21:07 Baddog: Moose, you the Moose at Stalingrad?
21:07 Jammer: no, i'm an newby and I work with RM (he's a great
coach), I asked him if anyone had
21:08 Jammer: my golf game handle reserved and he said he didn't think
so...
21:08 K2: I guess so many different people have shot me to bits its
all a blur . . . .
21:08 Jammer: so I thought i would use it here
21:08 RM: ok...
21:08 RM: weird
21:09 RM: BACK TO F6 vs F4...
21:09 K2: rgr
21:09 RM: IF YOU ARE INTENT ON KILLING YOUR OPPONENT...
21:09 Moose 666th: Yeah Baddog I am
21:09 RM: THE F6 IS THE TOUGHEST FIGHT FOR THE F4
21:10 RM: YOU CAN CLIMB AWAY FROM A Ki, ZEKE OR 38...
21:10 RM: BUT THE F6 CAN CLIMB WITH YOU
21:10 RM: THE BEST THING TO DO IS RUN AWAY AND WHEN YOU GET SOME...
21:10 RM: SEPARATION...
21:11 RM: GO INTO A 200 KIAS, 3K CLIMB
21:11 RM: IF HE TRIES TO STAY WITH YOU YOU WILL GET ABOVE HIM...
21:11 RM: BUT IT TAKES A LONG TIME
21:11 RM: BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS RUN FROM AN F6
21:11 RM: GIVEN A LITTLE ALT
21:12 RM: OK...
21:12 K2: heheheheh, OK, not very encouraging. GA
21:12 RM: ASTRO ASKED HOW WELL AN F4 TURNS AT LOWER ALTS COMPARED TO.,,
21:12 RM: HIGHER
21:12 RM: (pulls out charts)
21:13 Jammer: standby, RM is looking up some data
21:14 RM: OK...
21:14 RM: 10K F4 TURNS 6 Gs AT 210 KIAS...27 DEGREES PER SECOND
21:15 RM: AT 20K THAT DROPS TO 22 DEGREES PER SECOND
21:15 RM: AT 30K (ASSUMING YOU CAN GET TO 210 KIAS)...
21:16 RM: THAT DROPS TO 18 DEGREES PER SECOND
21:16 RM: COMPARE THAT TO AN F6...
21:17 RM: 10K, 6 Gs, 180 KIAS - 31 DEGREES PER SECOND
21:17 RM: 20K - 26 DEGREES PER SECOND
21:17 RM: 30K 22 DEGREES PER SECOND
21:18 RM: THEY PRETTY MUCH DROP THE SAME AMOUNT OF TURN
21:18 RM: BUT THE F6 KEEPS ENERGY BETTER IN HARD TURNS
21:18 Dwarf: And on the deck?
21:18 Astro: So against an F6 I would want to keep my speed up and
try to outturn it maybe
21:18 RM: ON THE DECK...
21:19 RM: WAIT 1 ASTRO
21:19 RM: F6 ON THE DECK = 36 DEGREES/SEC
21:19 RM: F4 ON THE DECK=31 DEGREES PER SECOND
21:20 RM: THIS IS MAXIMUM INSTANTANEOUS NO FLAPS, 6 Gs...
21:20 RM: F6 AT 180 AND F4 AT 210
21:20 RM: OK...
21:20 RM: TO ANSWER ASTRO...
21:20 K2: Ok, I'm gonna run. thank you very much - great lecture.
I learned an enormous amount.
21:20 RM: COUPLE THINGS YOU CAN DO IN F4...
21:21 Baddog: might try get both real fast and turn with brakes
21:21 RM: SPIRAL DOWN, HOLD BRAKES AND KEEP SPEED AT 170-190 KIAS
21:21 RM: SEE YA KK2
21:21 RM: OR DO MANY SPLIT S'
21:21 RM: AND USE ROLL RATE
21:22 RM: TRY TO KEEP THE F6 FAST
21:22 Astro: cc
21:22 RM: OK...
21:22 RM: UNFORTUNATELY I GOTTA GO
21:22 RM: ONE LAST PARTING COMMENT
21:23 Dwarf: Is wot the r3elief tube is for
21:23 RM: YOU CAN SURPRISE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AN F4 BECAUSE THEY DON'T...
21:23 RM: EXPECT YOU TO TURN
21:23 RM: TURN INTO THEM AND STAY WITH THEM FOR A BIT
21:23 RM: THE F4 CAN DO SOME AMAZING THINGS
21:24 RM: IMHO IT'S THE BEST OVERALL PLANE IN AW
21:24 RM: BUT IT TAKES GOOD SA AND PRACTICE TO BECOME GOOD IN
21:24 Moose 666th: Thanks RM...
21:24 RM: I EXPECT TO SEE ALL OF YOU IN F4s FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS :)
21:25 Baddog: that would be true anyway:)
21:25 Astro: nite RM great lecture learned a lot
21:25 RM: SEE YA'LL AND THANKS FOR COMING
21:25 Huckster: Thanks RM enjoyed! nite all
21:25 Baddog: how about a series on the F4?
21:25 Moose 666th: Thanks RM.
21:26 Moose 666th: Pretty cool
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