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Hotrail:

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Headhunter:

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Sluggo:

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Nits: cant use mouse pad as beer coaster... crisis
Merchant: ducks!
Flitesim: Ouch! My EYE!
Headhunter: turn mouse over.
Merchant:

Nits: thats perverted!
Headhunter: Only if you enjoy it.
Sluggo: Now Bop throwing spitwads at Shadow
Bummer: If you get beer on the mouse ball, it will gum up and start sticking soon
Bop: ooops da teecha is back
Merchant: shhh :0
Headhunter: And a mouse with sticky balls is no good at all.
Nits: i wash my mouses balls... ok bak to work...
Maker: hehe, oh gawd
Bummer: Well you know, they can...never mind.
Nits: before I said that SA has nothing to do with flying ability or experience...
Nits: I was pretty shocked when I first heard that...
Nits: anyone else find that hard to swallow?
Bop: No
Merchant: neg
Flitesim: I believe in the chosen ones..no I don't find it hard to swallow

Nits: its a new voodoo this SA thing...
Sherlock: major lag :(((
Maker: no, it's just awareness, not execution

Bop: right you can be an aware dweeb that can't fly.

Flitesim: hehe
Sluggo: I am going to die -- you would think, and sure enough . . .
Nits: you can see that it hasnt really been exploited by looking at the quals for fighter pilots...
Nits: theyre very strict, but are they correct?
Hotrail: I always know before I die.
Bop: Or you can be great one on one but never know what's happening in the arena
Nits: hang on a sec... I got a great list here somehweres...
Nits: here we are, using todays standards...
Nits: guys like Mannock and Galland (poor vision) would be rejected...
Nits: Ira Jones had bad depth perception and wrecked 20 planes landing, was a keeler in air
Bop: and Bader had no legs
Nits: Bolke was asthmatic, dis-qed.. Guynemer physically out...
Nits: Ball and Tuck, wouldve washed out for slow learning...
Nits: and yes, perhaps the best example Bader
Nits: he was a human recording machine, perhaps the best SA of em all
Nits: here's some info that I liked... it involves (gasp) a simulator -
Nits: The technological quest to make each "good" flyer an ace...
Nits: through weapons lethality, was to turn up the best clue yet to the ace factor...
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Nits: many hundreds of multi-bogey combats were simulated...
Nits: A few pilots were found to be invariably sccessful...
Nits: regardless of which weapons they were useing...
Nits: regardless of which scenario they were attempting...
Nits: It was found that there was No Relationship between experience and success...
Nits: This led to a further check...
Nits: they tested "SA"
Nits: which at the time was considered "witchcraft" but nonetheless...
Nits: they used observers, debriefed, watched the engagement on film, debriefed again..
Nits: and graded each other on several points of SA.
Nits: The result was, not surprising to us, nearly 100%
Nits: for individual engagements the pilots with the best kill ratio scored higher
Nits: even further, some were found to have better kill ratios consistantly...
Nits: and those were the ones with the highest SA scores.
Nits: again, perhaps this may seem to be common sense....
Hotrail: !
Nits: ga Rail
Hotrail: ok
Hotrail: IMO AW k/d would not be the same as this...am I right?
Nits: well it could be...
Nits: in that, by keeping a high k/d you are managing your SA...
Nits: "on a short leash" so to speak...
Nits: that is...
Nits: you aren't allowing yourself to get overloaded in a dangerous situation
Hotrail: BUT!
Nits: its a challenge for a new pilot....
Nits: to get a grasp on the arena and survive it... but, ga
Hotrail: being only a game(sorry for the insult)people do not care if they die....
Transmaniakon: I care if I die in the game!

Bummer: me too, wastes time
Hotrail: so coming back over and over again..would blow your k/d.......
Nits: oh thats very true....
Hotrail: If I wanted to have a great k/d...I could by being very carful in picking....
Hotrail: what I dive into. done
Transmaniakon: !
Nits: right, the being careful part is the good SA part...
Nits: you are managing your situation...
Nits: but..
Nits: you can do that without to much stress...
Nits: if you want to improve that SA youve got to add more equations to the soup
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Nits: ill continue on that...
Sluggo: gotta call it a night. thanks Ho, Shebop. see y'all later
Flightsim: later sluggo
Nits: the analogy bout not really dying is good...
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Nits: also weve no colisions...
Nits: imagine on what that does to crush your SA bubble in real life
Nits: ga TK, well get bak
Transmaniakon: I just wanted to point out that it is not just being careful...
Nits: er we'll (the ' omission is chan 2 habit, from old days;)
Transmaniakon: I have tried to be ultra careful ....
Transmaniakon: and it does not get you a good k/d necessarily
Transmaniakon: theres is more to it than that... thats why I'm here

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Transmaniakon: err dum and done

Nits: you need be smart first, careful second, and callous third, IMO
Nits: to get a real real hi k/d
Nits: it aint easy
Transmaniakon: !
Nits: ok, lemme try and get back on how we can get better at it...
Nits: ga TK
Bop: and have Nads that CLANK
Transmaniakon: Ya mean callous as in not helping a friendly in distress?
Transmaniakon: done
Nits: yeah, i think the level of "he needs my help" to "he's a dweeb, shouldnta got..
Maker: no, he means you've gotta have callouses on your viewkey fingers

Transmaniakon: hehe Maker

Nits: in the mess in the first place" sorta changes

Nits: there is a line between chivalry and dumb
Nits: gets blurred I'd think, or at least for me it does...
Nits: id rather die and save a dude than land, not good for k/d
Nits: so I honestly say that I cant do k/d
Bop:
Merchant: hehe

Nits: wanna talk k/s and Im all ears

Nits: thats the one I look at
Nits: ok...gotta take in info to develop SA...
Nits: this is an experienced group... it seems...
Merchant just vanished!
Nits: I spect everyone knows the regular drill for grabbin info on ground...
Transmaniakon: tk digs through AWTA class notes

Nits: did you know bout closed or captured fields?
Headhunter: Ya mean /theat and /strat (remember that one) and that sorta stuff?
Nits: how to tell if you own a closed field
Bop: yup
Bop: that is an invalid field
Bop: That field is out of action
Bummer: how again?
Nits: if you go to a field and its an Invalid field number.. closed field that is..
Nits: right
Nits: and if its OOA its yours, just dead
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Bummer: ahhh, why didn't I think of that, thanx
Nits: invalid = enema OOA = friend dead
Bop: typing /air still says it's closed you have to try to go there to see.
Bummer: !
Nits: if your atol jammin or the like it helps to know
Nits: ga Bummer
Flitesim: I remember the Atoll
Bummer: any way of tellin' if it's enemy AND closed?
Nits: nope, just if they aint comin up there
Headhunter: Close it yourself.

Bummer: ok thanx
Bummer: (good to know before a tank run)
Bop: ask em on ch 1.

Headhunter: hehehe
Nits: ok, so one of my favorite for training is 2vs1...
Nits: it is essential for the 2 to learn...
Nits: but its also a great tool for the 1
Nits: its overload city baay beee
Nits: (my DickieD impression)
Merchant:

Bop: DickieD is in da house
Nits: you have to stretch yourself each and everytime you fight to get results
Nits: sometimes Ill take note of stuff thats goin on that has no bearing on me...
Nits: you never know how it might have an effect later on
Nits: keepin AW in mind...
Nits: folks throw themselves into overload, serious down close SA bubble all puckered..
Nits: up overload
Nits: bout oh, every time they fly
Nits: the way to beat em is to well, gett better at handling overload...
Nits: or, increase the amount of shtuff you can handle before babbling
Nits: it may be sound survival tactics to avoid those situations...
Nits: but it cant hurt to work on the future
Nits: ques? brb 1 min
Bop: Ox
Transmaniakon: my whisper quit working!
Hotrail: wow
Nits: air combat, and the nature of it, really screwed up "the experts"...
Hotrail: far out man
Nits: stuff like... if 3 beat 2, the 3 lose 1 plane and the 2 lose both...
Nits: then 30 should beat 20, 30 losing 10, 20 being wiped...
Nits: in AW maybe...
Nits: but not in the real, not by a long shot
Nits: in 30 vs 20 maybe 5 go down, could be from either side, depended solely on pilot quality involved...
Headhunter: Everyone be blinking in and out anyways.

Nits: the acess feeding on the turkeys
Nits: too much to handle to fight
Nits: colisions alone would do it
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Transmaniakon: !
Nits: wingmen were known to have been in fights and didnt realize it...
Nits: was all they could do to follow their leader
Nits: ga TK
Transmaniakon: Has there been any talk of modeling collisions in AW?
Nits: with delays it would be totally out of wack
Nits: there has been much talk of it
Transmaniakon: cc, but I was thinking maybe with a high speed arena?
Nits: but the how is the problem
Bummer: Would be fun to fly 1/2 mile in front of Garner and crash him
Nits: warpfree... I guess they could?
Nits: funny anecdote.. on my firstt ever AW flight...
Nits: I was gliding down into 11 when 4 planes started to roll...
Nits: even tho I knew there were no colisions...
Nits: I couldnt take the chance...
Nits: so I augered rather than wipe them out

Sherlock: You'd get pilots trying to crash into you when they get pinged up though
Bop: hehehe
Merchant: hehe
Bummer: It happened
Nits: figured Id be Dweeb Crucified if I was wrong bout colisions...
Nits: just plain ol Dweeb if I was right

Flitesim: hehe
Bop: yeah Kamakazeee sewercide players
Sherlock: a.k.a. IAF;)
Bummer: heh heh
Hotrail: give ya life with no ammo

Bummer: nutty group
Nits: well I hope you folks got something from our lil chat
Sherlock: rather than auger they'd crash into you;)
Merchant: i did thnx Ho!
Transmaniakon: Thanks Ho!
Nits: i can hang for a bit if anyone wants
Transmaniakon: err Nits I mean

Hotrail: Good class..thx Nits
Robinhood: Thanks
Bop: was very good HO. When is the next 4v4 tourney?
Maker: cc Ho, nice job
Nits: was kinda tough preparing for something that folks dont know if it can even be taught
Transmaniakon: Hey Ho... Question...
Bummer: Yes, thanks a lot, got to go think now (winces as a coherent thought passes)
Hotrail just switched to another channel!
Nits: but I firmly believe that you can never sstop learning this game
Transmaniakon: gotta go cya later!
Nits: its impossible to master
Nits: oki cya TK
Maker: later TK
Merchant: cya tk
Bop: one thing I notice is that folks really don't know how to "read" the Sector counters
Nits: cya Bummer
Transmaniakon: cya guys gnite!
Bummer: bye, thanks
Nits: or wasnt eaving ... anyways...
Maker: gotta go too, cya all later
Merchant: cya maker
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Flightsim: c y'all...

Nits: 4vs4 eh?
Flightsim: Thanks Ho.
Merchant: cya shebop

Nits: welcome
Bop: Aye would like to see how some folks fair co-alt co numbers.

Sherlock: being from UK I'd like to take part in 4v4 and 2v2

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